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Nevesis,
I guess I am an old man but I have had my fill of flame.
Probably the greatest lesson I have learned in my life, so far, it to able to extrapolate the positive out of most every situation and even ones that seem totally negative.
This board is actually one of the more objective boards, I think and with a huge cross-section of players and doing all kinds of stuff.
Of course, on a public forum like this, you're going to find an equal range of communciation skills. It just goes with the turf. It doesn't take long to realize that you can't please everyone. That's true about life. Remember that.
Now, don't make the mistake of dismissing everything that guys like Dazzler and FlamTriplet
said. These are two monster players, just as an example, that have proven themselves in a variety of situations.
I love reading their posts and I believe that they usually are needling the players on the for-
um, pushing them to think more musically. Really, that's Dazz all over.
He gets nothing out of solos and he's not alone. Solos are not everyone's cup of tea and that's
all-right.
EVERYONE here can see that you have a skill. What they disagree on is how to employ it. That will always be the case.
You have heard me before, remark about what I have seen you do. I am all for seeing you develop into a great drummer. I think that we
will find incredible progress in a musical setting. I know that Dazz will agree with that.
In musical situations, we are forced to not only develop our compositional skills but our co-
operative skills. An example I just went through tonight, in a live setting, was when a sing-
er remarked to the musical director that they had trouble in an accapella section and asked
if there was something subtle that I could do to help her.
Nothing like a quarter-note! [img]wink.gif[/img]
Sounds silly, right? It isn't. This is what it's about. I know it's coming for you and I am looking forward to it, Nev.
I feel that you videos are fine to post. When you get what appears to be negative responses, delete in your mind all that is negative from them, leaving the positive. If there is no positive left, I suggest just passing over it.
Of course, always thank everyone for every response, as ALL are potentially helpful. These people have, after all, watch and listened.
Look for the humor in there too. I can practically tell what kind of beer that Dazzler has had on some nights.
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He knows I love him.
You see, there's always something good out there to focus on.
I am looking forward to the future, with you, Nevevis!
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<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 10, 2004 11:16 PM: Message edited by: peter c ]</font>
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Peter, you're funny man and clearly rock!! I have to say that on Saturday, England were playing a world cup qualifying football (soccer!) match and me and a load of friends started drinking at 1.30 in the afternoon. After 7 or a pints of beer, I then switched to JD and cokes until 12, when we dived in a coctail bar to finish off the session. I wrote that post at 2 in the morning after a 12 hour drinking spree!!
Having said that I am amazed at the coherency of the post and I stand by EVERYTHING that I said, in the cold sobriety of day! Well everything apart from my opening gambit where I asked how shallow are you? That wasn't cool.
Peter reads every post on here, digests them and has formed a pretty accurate picture of me and my thoughts, wow - even to the point of knowing when I post after having drunk enough alcohol to fell a baby elephant!!
Nevesis, without wishing to labour the point, if one posts vids/mp3's of their playing, they immediately open themselves up to critisism, myself included. When I post examples of my playing, I'm not naive enough to think that everyone will dig the playing or music, because they won't. FACT. I simply gave you (albeit a bit OTT due to alcohol) my thoughts about the solo and drum competitions in general.
I would disagree that my points were not constructive and I did ask you a number of pertinant questions which as you were too busy swearing at me, threatening me and telling me what you'd do to me if you ran into me, you chose to ignore. That's your perogative. I would still like to know what you get out of entering a competition that judges you on chops and technique alone and that has nothing to do with MUSIC. For example, what would they say if you told them that you wanted to bring your band with you as you don't like playing alone and not interacting and feeding off other musicians? What would they think if you built your solo up from nothing, using textures and sounds rather than diving straight in with a ferocious display of chops and blatant showboating (and stick twirling... [img]mad.gif[/img] )? How would they react to SPACE and less notes rather than more?
Also, who is judging you? Would we know them? What albums can we hear the judges on? Who do they play with? What is their musical background?
Before you take offence and physically threaten people who are simply intersted in making and creating music as opposed to futile displays off chops for chops sake, think about what they've said, the information that they are trying to impart and why they are saying it.
I wish you luck and would like to hear you in a musical context with a band rather than on your own trying desperately to impress people instead of serving the music.
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 11, 2004 10:14 AM: Message edited by: Dazzler ]</font>
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Hey Peter, well as you know we have known each other for a while now I would like for you to point me to some of Dazzler's work. I am extremely interested in seeing him since you speak so highly of him. Let me know if you can send me anything on the web to check out. Id appreciate it dude.
Thanks for your response. It is always well thought out and constructive. Thanks again!
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Wow, you guys are harsh critics. I thought the solo was pretty good.
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na, c'mon - FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
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nevesis, surely after all these years of drumming you have some recordings with bands.
Recordings of yourself playing in a musicial context. The only nevesis we know, is the drum competition solo nevesis. So...
Could you post one or two songs for us to hear (and not critisize)? Thanks in advance!
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I will have PLENTY of material coming in the near future to prove anyone wrong, who had something to say regarding my ability to play music, with bands live or in the studio.
In the meantime, I had posted this on the last page, maybe someone can help me out with it.
"Hey Peter, well as you know we have known each other for a while now I would like for you to point me to some of Dazzler's work. I am extremely interested in seeing him since you speak so highly of him. Let me know if you can send me anything on the web to check out. Id appreciate it dude.
Thanks for your response. It is always well thought out and constructive. Thanks again! "
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I finally listened to that "controversial" video. I said listen cause for some reason there was no image; so I won't be influenced by how you look or move, the focus was on sound which is what matters. First of, I liked your intro motif ; it had nice flow, dynamics and ideas. I would have developed on it a lot more; my taste goes to solos which have a "fil conducteur". But you chose to stop and go into a furious half-time shuffle, which IMO doesn't sit enough. The ghost notes are way too loud and a bit rushed. The rest of the solo sounds more like a collage of licks and beats, some impressive and cleanly executed, some less. And they're all at force 10; the interest is kinda lost. You have technique, chops and energy, now as an exercise I think it wouldn't be that hard to take everything you played in this solo, reorder it, pace it, play more with dynamics, have an implied theme that comes on and off to keep the listener's interest, have a buildup and a grand finale. Experiment with different structures, I'm sure you'll find some more interesting ones. Just to start to make it more musical. I'm sure judges at this contest could be sensible to that.
You're young and been playing for ~7 years (?). I think it's the normal stage to focus on technique and build stamina and chops; this foundation is important for the rest of your career (I'm sure the tops and most of us were into this mode at this age). The facts are, at 23 years young you cannot have the maturity and poetry of let's say an Erskoman and it's totally normal. If this yearly competition is a motivation to work on your hands/feet technique than it's good. But at some point I'm confident that you'll move on and put less importance on it. You have talent and it would be sad if the only thing we hear from you for the next 15 years is your yearly Drum-off solo.
As for your attitude towards critique, take it easy, this is only the beginning.
Good luck.
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Thanks Tombo for your well thought out critique.
Try downloading the latest version of Quicktime that should fix any video problems you are having.
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Good post, Tombo.
We all could take a lesson in replying to posts from Peter C...both responders...& 'respondees' [img]redface.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thinking.gif[/img]
<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ October 11, 2004 05:57 PM: Message edited by: FuseU1 ]</font>
